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RE: Apologia - 12/23/2009 3:35:46 PM
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Do you really need a microscope or can you just buy the disc that is a companion to the Biology book?
There are two levels of need for a microscope.
The first happens if a course demands a certain power level, like learning to use an oil immersion lens at 1000x.
The second is simply based on having a tool to explore God's world in increasing detail. All a microscope does is allow us to see God's work in ever finer detail.
So, at the first level we have our eyes. The second level we have varying powers of magnifying glasses. At the next level we have low power stereo microscopes. These, by the way, are my favorite scopes for children. They truly are lifetime investments.
In compound microscopes we have those that go, in general, to 400x power and those that include a 1000x capability. A child rarely needs the latter. Sam's club carries a student scope, with very nice optics, for under $100 with 40x, 100x and 400x capability that should be fine. You can add a mechanical stage later.
It is a mistake to jump from simply what we can see with our eyes to a high powered microscope without first exploring all that one can see with magnifying glasses from 2x to 10x. It's like going from looking a page and jumping to peer at a single word on the page without first exploring the sentences. A word without context is less meaningful than one explored in context.
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RE: Apologia - 12/24/2009 12:07:37 AM
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I totally agree with everything TMeeks said here. Very good information. Thanks for sharing. I would just add that the companion CD does not have multimedia for every course experiment; hence, you will still need to address the microscope content for some of the experiments by either using a microscope or by viewing web sites which contain the microscopic images. If you have been following this thread, I have provided many of the web sites I use for my ApologiaAcademy classes in earlier posts. Many of the links contain microscopic images that I personally prepared. You might want to scroll back and view some of these postings also.
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RE: Apologia - 12/29/2009 12:37:21 AM
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Thanks again for your insights, TMeeks. I do appreciate your views. However, I was responding to a specific question by judii1 about a specific Apologia course requirement in my post. Personally, I find microscopy mega-fascinating. As a former research chemist who started his science career as a medical technologist, I have spent nearly four decades investigating God's Creation through a microscope's ocular. I would highly recommend the same experience to anyone who wants to draw closer to his or her Creator, in or out of the classroom. Nature always points a finger towards its Creator. One can't look at the complexity of a blood cell and not ponder the Master Craftsman's handiwork. A good home microscope is an investment for a lifetime of discovery. I was doubly blessed by having both a standard professional scope and a SEM to use during my research career. No matter whether I used eyes, magnifying lens, microscope, or SEM (scanning electron microscope), God's hand was always evident in the things viewed.
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RE: Apologia - 12/30/2009 10:15:11 PM
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I was commenting in a more global sense. It saddens me to see any parents, not just home schooling parents, that see science in terms of courseware or formal study.
Science, in the broadest sense, is just as you describe it... an adventure in learning about God's creation. And, while most children won't become scientists, all can become people that love to explore the riches and complexity of the world around us.
And, like you, I see microscopes that I've purchased for myself, my children and now my grandchildren, as lifetime investments.
My first microscope was a post-war Japanese Tasco 900x that had awful optics by today's standards. But, even so, I take it out now and then just to have some fun with it and remember those childhood discoveries.
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RE: Apologia - 12/30/2009 11:37:35 PM
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I find this difficult to believe seeing your Avatar. I believe that parents should be free to seek the council of a trusted tutor to supplement their home study, and there should be no condemnation for those so doing. Being mentored by a scholar is foundational in both the Jewish and Christian religions. Jesus was educated in the Law, so was Paul, so were the Apostles, and so were all the Patriarchs of the Jewish faith. I also don't see many of the leaders of our Christian faith lamenting their formal education.
Myself, I feel that home schooling parents are wise to use prepared curriculums when necessary. Directed study is always more profitable than aimless meandering. Some parents are able and have the time to construct their own curriculums from library books, field trips, and, yes, microscopes. (More power to them! They will be bless for their effort. Dr Wile actually wrote his first chemistry book for his daughter. He could not find a text he liked for his home schooling child, so he wrote her one. Should we condemn him for so doing?) Some parents cannot make their own curriculums due to time constraints or other factors. It is the later that I direct my postings to and my skills towards.
Discovery has its place; however, there also needs to be room for formal academics. The Bible does say that it is mom's and dad's responsibility "to raise up their children in the way they should go." It is a wise parent who seeks good council in areas beyond their knowledge and who employs well-written books to help in their God mandated responsibilities. Even with almost 500 credit hours of college behind me, there are areas where I lack expertise. I am not too proud to ask for help. A trusted mentor - like Dr. Wile, who I study under - or a dusty old textbook can save me hours of effort. Finally, if you ask the right question, turn the correct page, or adjust the fine focus perfectly, is that not ALL discovery? I applaud home schooling parents and support them in their efforts, whatever direction that home schooling labor may take.
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Steve
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RE: Apologia - 12/31/2009 4:01:55 PM
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I think I must NOT have been clear. 
I was a science teacher, so I KNOW the value of formal education.
What I was speaking about was the attitude that leaves science at the school door and fails see science in the life of a child BEYOND whatever they get with formal education. My comments had NO intention to condem cirriculum. They were meant to be encourage going BEYOND whatever the child learns in a structure environment.
I can understand why you may have seen this sentence as condemning structured science courses.
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It saddens me to see any parents, not just home schooling parents, that see science in terms of courseware or formal study.
It would have been more clear with THIS structure.
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It saddens me to see any parents, not just home schooling parents, that see science merely in terms of courseware or formal study.
What I meant to imply is that courseware is the BEGINNING of scientific interest and study for a child... NOT the end. I assumed that all homeschool parents would realize that a structured curriculum was essential. But, I would hate to see the microscopes and other science gear go back into the closet once the courseware is done.
I would NEVER demean formal, disciplined science education as the FIRST step on the road to discovery for a lifetime. Like you, I realize that aimless meandering to get the basics is harmful. But, if the tutor and curriculum have done their jobs right, future experiments and observations will not be aimless meandering. They will have a purpose and fit into the framework and foundation that the formal study provided.
I always took a microscope to the beach with us as my children were growing up. They took every science course in school. But, there is a vast difference between having to pass a test and enjoying looking at the tiny creatures on floating seaweed for the first time.
My grandchildren go to a marvelous Christian School. The school has the finest science equipment and rooms that I have ever seen at the K-12 level. But, science in our family isn't just confined to the school. It's a part of our life on an everyday and ongoing basis. And, our lives are richer for it. See a bug, grab a scope and check it out. That is ad-hoc learning that goes above and beyond courseware.
So, to be clear. I am talking about going BEYOND any and all courseware... even college level PHD... and into the recreational level of science as a lifetime passion. It had NOTHING to do with discouraging people from pursuing structured curriculum training.
Sorry if I was unclear.
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RE: Apologia - 12/31/2009 5:02:39 PM
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There are several families on this board that use Apologia for science.
We have recently had a science teacher who also happens to work for Apologia, join our board and he seems to like it around here. He has indicated that he is willing to answer questions, not as an Apologia employee, but as someone that likes answering questions for home schoolers.
I am opening this thread for those who have questions, ideas, information, and helps for Apologia science courses.
Thanks for clearing that up. As always, your posts are thought provoking. I would like to point out the purpose of this discussion board as given in the opening post. I am not sure how this current discussion fits into the purpose of this forum and I believe we may have gotten a bit off track. I would like to rectify this. Would you mind if I once again open this up for discussion of Apologia curriculum and move away from the current dialog now that you have made yourself heard and clear?
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RE: Apologia - 12/31/2009 11:37:45 PM
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Sorry. I didn't mean to mess up your special thread with something like general excitement for science.
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There are several families on this board that use Apologia for science.
We have recently had a science teacher who also happens to work for Apologia, join our board and he seems to like it around here. He has indicated that he is willing to answer questions, not as an Apologia employee, but as someone that likes answering questions for home schoolers.
I am opening this thread for those who have questions, ideas, information, and helps for Apologia science courses.
Thanks for clearing that up. As always, your posts are thought provoking. I would like to point out the purpose of this discussion board as given in the opening post. I am not sure how this current discussion fits into the purpose of this forum and I believe we may have gotten a bit off track. I would like to rectify this. Would you mind if I once again open this up for discussion of Apologia curriculum and move away from the current dialog now that you have made yourself heard and clear?
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RE: Apologia - 1/1/2010 1:36:19 AM
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Thanks for understanding and for allowing us to refocus the discussion. You are a real blessing to all the forums. We all gain so much from your input.
God Bless, and Happy New Year!
Steve
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RE: Apologia - 1/5/2010 12:02:17 PM
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Steve, I have a question about purchasing the individual modules for Biology.
If I buy them online, do you send a DVD? I don't have internet at home right now so I can't download anything.
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RE: Apologia - 1/5/2010 4:45:07 PM
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Steve, I have a question about purchasing the individual modules for Biology.
If I buy them online, do you send a DVD? I don't have internet at home right now so I can't download anything.
Thank you,
Judy
Hi Judy,
The version 1.0 DVDs I produce currently contain the following:
32 WMV 60-90 minute video presentations
32 MP3 audio files for MP3 player upload
32 Fill-in-the-Blank lecture note sets
32 Teacher lesson notes with links
16 Formal experiment report samples
16 Module Tests and answers
01 1st Quarter Exam and answers
01 1st Semester Exam and answers
01 3rd Quarter Exam and answers
01 2nd Semester Exam and answers
01 Comprehensive Exam and answers
01 2009 Assignment Supplement
01 2009 Course Schedule
01 Introduction letter
The DVD-R is yours to keep and there is no access limit for the licensed student. Cost is $100, plus sales tax and shipping. If you want us to grade the Tests and Exams for you, we also provide that service for an additional fee.
Sorry, but I do not have the Individual Modules on DVDs. It is just not profitable enough for me or economical enough for the customer for me to do so. By the time I charge $20, sales tax, and shipping for the Individual Module lessons, the disk would cost almost $30. It is much more economical for the customer to buy the full course DVD if they think they may need help on three or more Modules.
The Individual Module audios and/or videos are downloadable to MP3 or IPOD. Do you have either of those technologies available?
One additional benefit of buying from us is that for each DVD we sell, we give one away free to a missionary family serving overseas.
God Bless,
Steve
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RE: Apologia - 1/6/2010 10:15:32 AM
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Steve, thank you.
Ds does have an MP3 player and knows all of the tech stuff to get files to play on it.
I might try to get the DVD you listed in your post later on when I get the money. Thank you again.
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RE: Apologia - 1/8/2010 12:42:16 AM
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Steve, thank you.
Ds does have an MP3 player and knows all of the tech stuff to get files to play on it.
I might try to get the DVD you listed in your post later on when I get the money. Thank you again.
Hi Judy,
If money is tight right now, I do have a very limited number of donated DVDs. I can't do it for everyone, but I could send you one to use for now. All I ask is that when things are better for you, you consider a DVD donation so I can pass on the same blessing to someone else.
If this works for you, please write me at rosenon@apologia.com.
God Bless,
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RE: Apologia - 1/17/2010 12:04:46 AM
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Hi Everyone,
Apologia just released the new 2010 catalog to its employees this weekend. I got permission to share the online version with you all. The print version of the catalog won't hit the stands until February. Here is an advanced look for the forum faithful. 
Apologia 2010 catalog
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RE: Apologia - 1/23/2010 8:55:26 PM
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Hi Everyone,
For those of you working on ECB Module 9, I thought you might like access to my lecture on Darwin and Evolution. If you want to avoid hearing all the GREAT materials at the beginning of the video about exam prep, formal reports, and course structure, you can fast forward to the lecture starting point. The video is done in MP4-HD and the Darwin lecture starts 26:00 minutes into the recording. Here is the link:
Module 9, Part 1
I hope this helps you in your studies.
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RE: Apologia - 2/8/2010 3:05:55 PM
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Hi everyone, I'm a new member of this forum. I had a question for Steve.
My son has been doing Apologia since 8th grade; he's in 10th now. He is very much math and science oriented, and loves both. He's been through Gen Science, Phys. Science, and is almost done with Chemistry. In math, he's gone through Teaching Textbooks, which is ordered Algebra 1, Algebra 2, and then Geometry. So he's completed Algebra 1 and is most of the way through Algebra 2, but has NOT done Geometry yet.
He really, really is interested in Physics and wants to do that next for science. My question is the math. How critical is the math level for the Physics program? Do you think, if he's really motivated and "gets" science and math concepts easily, that he would be able to jump into Physics?
Thanks so much for your reply.
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RE: Apologia - 2/9/2010 6:32:44 PM
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Hi everyone, I'm a new member of this forum. I had a question for Steve.
My son has been doing Apologia since 8th grade; he's in 10th now. He is very much math and science oriented, and loves both. He's been through Gen Science, Phys. Science, and is almost done with Chemistry. In math, he's gone through Teaching Textbooks, which is ordered Algebra 1, Algebra 2, and then Geometry. So he's completed Algebra 1 and is most of the way through Algebra 2, but has NOT done Geometry yet.
He really, really is interested in Physics and wants to do that next for science. My question is the math. How critical is the math level for the Physics program? Do you think, if he's really motivated and "gets" science and math concepts easily, that he would be able to jump into Physics?
Thanks so much for your reply.
Tara
Hi Tara,
Apologia Physics does require geometry. That said, there are some wonderful quick study paper books available from Amazon.com that can get you through the concepts in short order. Here are my favorites:
Geometry books
Hope that helps. A motivated student can usually tackle just about anything in my opinion. You have 90% of the ball game done in this situation.
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RE: Apologia - 3/8/2010 9:16:26 PM
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This weekend an article by AP staff writer, Dylan Lovan, appeared in many national newspapers and was quoted during multiple national/local news broadcasts. Here is that article:
AP Article
Apologia's official response follows and here is a link to Dr. Jay's blog regarding the events of this weekend:
Dr. Jay's Blog
I hope this helps you sort out the truth from the lie that was spun by an editorial staff with an obvious anti-homeschooling agenda.
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Apologia and Creation-Based Science Curricula
A response to the AP story “Top Home-School Texts Dismiss Darwin, Evolution,” released on March 6, 2010
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,588260,00.html
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The battle over what our children should be taught in school continues. On March 6, 2010, the Associated Press released an article by Dylan Lovan entitled “Top Home-School Texts Dismiss Darwin, Evolution.” His commentary explains that some homeschooling families take issue with the creation-based science texts of Apologia Educational Ministries and other publishers.
It should be no surprise that Jerry Coyne, a professor at the University of Chicago in the Department of Ecology and Evolution, thinks our books are “promulgating lies to kids.” After all, his title clearly conveys that he believes in evolution. Dr. Jay Wile, the author or co-author of many of Apologia’s junior high and high school texts, is a nuclear chemist and a former university professor. Dr. Wile has concluded that the creation model of origins is supported by scientific research and is a superior model from which to educate students in the various scientific disciplines.
Dr. Wile launched the Apologia curriculum in the early 1990s when many Christian home-educators were frustrated that few creation-based science options were available. It quickly grew to become the leading science curriculum among homeschooling families. In 2008, I purchased the company and began a plan to expand the product range by developing new curriculum in other subjects needed by homeschooling families.
At Apologia Educational Ministries, we are not shy about promoting our mission to help homeschool families learn, live, and defend the Christian faith. While the science division of the company is crystal clear about our commitment to creation, we do not dismiss or avoid the discussion of evolution. Rather, we welcome the debate on creation versus evolution. While creationists and evolutionists are looking at the same evidence found in the natural world, they reach different conclusions. Our textbooks give evidence as to why we disagree with a notion that single-celled organisms evolved into more complex life forms over millions of years. Students who take our courses will be prepared to discuss the topic intelligently and sensibly.
The Apologia science curriculum is top-of-the-line with regard to rigor and academic excellence. The proof is in the accomplishments and testimonials of students who have used our products.
Here are just a few examples:
“After using your Physics text in grade twelve, I took a first-year physics course at a local university and ended up with an A+. Your course did an excellent job preparing me for it. Thanks.”
“I am in the tenth grade and have used Apologia books for four years. I love them. They cover hard concepts, but Dr. Wile is very clear in the way he explains them. In fact, I’ve already passed the CLEP test for biology.”
“In my very first test in college physics, I got the highest score in the class. My professor said that I must have had an excellent high school physics course. He was right!”
“I don’t think I could have done homeschool chemistry without this book. It was very easy to understand – I didn’t even need my dad to explain it to me. The experiments were simple and fun! I also appreciated that the author pointed out our Master Designer in the lessons. I highly recommend this book!”
“I am now taking college level Anatomy and Physiology, and let me tell you, you prepared me well. I took my first college test on Friday, which just so happened to be A+P, and, praise God, I got a 101% on it. I just realized how easy college A+P is compared to what I am used to.”
“My daughter and I just completed Exploring Creation with Astronomy. She loved it! And I enjoyed it so much, it’s renewed my own interest in astronomy. The Christian worldview of your textbooks is a real breath of fresh air. My family and I are looking forward to years of science exploration with Apologia!”
At Apologia Educational Ministries, we offer a lineup of K-12 science textbooks, worldview studies for elementary-aged students, practical books and resources to equip and encourage homeschool parents, a series of conferences for homeschool moms, and an online academy with courses in science, Bible, worldview, and apologetics.
On a personal note, Rachael and I have homeschooled our seven children for fourteen years. Our commitment to home education resulted in our oldest graduating last year. He is completing a one-year program, which specializes in training young people for Christian leadership, service, and mission work. This and his homeschooling experience have helped prepare him to attend college full-time next year with the aid of multiple scholarships.
I am thankful for the opportunity to share our side of the story. We will continue to stand strong on the biblical account of creation. You can learn more by visiting our website at www.apologia.com. We’d love to hear from you. You can join the discussion at www.facebook.com/apologiaworld or send us your feedback at mailbag@apologia.com.
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RE: Apologia - 3/13/2010 10:44:58 AM
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Dear Friends,
Here is the latest information on the raging AP battle:
http://www.apologia.com/news.php?item=66
Thank you so much for all the notes of support sent into the help@apologia.com line. With the CNN, MSNBC, and AP saying that home schooling students are getting a substandard education and that home schooling efforts should be standardized, it sure is nice to hear all the Apologia/home schooling success stories. Thank you so much for taking the time to write.
Have a wonderful Sunday. Sing praises to our Lord, and please remember us in your prayers.
God Bless,
Steve
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RE: Apologia - 3/18/2010 11:20:55 PM
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For those who have gone through this course, have you been happy with it? We are just starting, so we are working on space, etc. I like the idea of it being multi-level and allowing the kids to get out of it what they can. My first grader is LOVING it and even hubby learned something new last night (the sunset is blue on Mars). I have heard complaints about next year- spending a whole year on plants- any experience out there (for us, we do science Jan to Jan. so we will begin next year with space and end with plants).
Also, when do you think kids need a microscope? I'm not sure she's quite ready for it yet, but I've been scoping them out for when the time is right...
Who said you have to spend a whole year on plants? If you are doing year round school, you could do one week plants and one week stars. The only books that you need to do in sequence are the zoology books, and that is only because there is information in the first book's preface that you need to know for the second, third, and fourth book. (I can send you that preface information so you can read the materials and start on any of them, however.) With the new books coming out in the Apologia line over the next few years, you should be able to attack an area of interest, not just a daily schedule.
Microscopes are great interest gathers. With supervision, they can be used for K-12. With a scope at your disposal, every microscopic thing becomes a science lesson. There is enough in a drop of water to keep you busy for weeks  I would read TMeeks's forum on microscopes if you want some great advise.
I hope some other moms will jump in here with ideas for you also. Remember, I want to learn from you also  There are some great teachers out there who have done some wonderful stuff with Apologia. I would love to read some of those wonderful lesson plans here.
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RE: Apologia - 3/19/2010 11:55:44 PM
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Do you know what the plans are for the elementary curriculum? I would rather hold off on purchasing any more if the new style is very different/better.
Apologia is not planning on changing the format in any way. They are simply going to add new courses: elementary human anatomy & physiology, physics, chemistry, and geology are all in the works or have been discussed. They are trying to create more options for you; not change the structure of the courses.
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