RE: CHRISTIANS: What Sin Will Stop You From Entering Heaven?
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RE: CHRISTIANS: What Sin Will Stop You From Entering He... - 1/30/2010 11:45:53 PM
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yankeedoodled
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Revelation 21:6-8
6He said to me: "It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To him who is thirsty I will give to drink without cost from the spring of the water of life. 7He who overcomes will inherit all this, and I will be his God and he will be my son. 8But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death."
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Indeed, those that swear all there is is the verses 6 & 7, are steadfast in their belief that verse 8 either does not exist or does not matter. The half truthers would not have the whole truth nor the salvation that comes with the whole truth, they insist they will not consummate with the whole Word of God. Cheap fast food eternal live is a false facade.
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I have no doubt about that. What does that have to do with comparing a misdemeanor and a felony? Those are terms found in the American judicial system, not Scripture. Stealing is stealing to God. The teen who steals the candy bar is just as much a thief as the cat burglar who makes off with the priceless work of art.
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Same as failing to comprehend the difference between bitter and sweet.
Isaiah 5:20
Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
Proverbs 27:7
The full soul loatheth an honeycomb; but to the hungry soul every bitter thing is sweet.
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There has been oceans of ink spilled on the issue of eternal security pretty much from the time Jesus went back up to Heaven. If you really think you have the answer in a settled sense, then I would encourage you to consider repenting of the sin of pride which may well be in your heart.
Yankeedoodled:
If you really think you don’t have the answer, but are presumptuous to tell others they cannot know what you confess you do not know. Prideful presumption based on ignorance is yours. Don’t cast your errors on me, like clothes, they don’t fit.
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There's a difference between being struck dead in our physical bodies, and being damned to an eternity in hell.
Yankeedoodled:
And there are direct to be seen exact consequences, odd you have missed the obvious.
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RE: CHRISTIANS: What Sin Will Stop You From Entering He... - 1/31/2010 12:02:54 AM
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From what I've learned thru the yrs;
All sin is forgivable, w/ the exception of Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, however ...........
He who says he is a Christian ( or Jewish, as far as that goes), yet continues to sin, is a liar and a hypocrite, and the truth is not in him.
The sin of disbelief, I feel, doesn't weigh more or less than someone committing adultery, murder, rape, embezzlement, etc. Mostly because - All sin and unrighteousness leads to death.
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RE: CHRISTIANS: What Sin Will Stop You From Entering He... - 1/31/2010 12:28:01 AM
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Same as failing to comprehend the difference between bitter and sweet.
Perhaps I am misunderstanding you, but are you seriously saying that God bases His judgments on how the United States renders criminal justice?
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If you really think you don’t have the answer, but are presumptuous to tell others they cannot know what you confess you do not know.
I'm not the one who thinks I don't have the answer. Centuries of brilliant scholars whose devotion to both God and scholarship far surpass either mine or yours speak for me. If you really think you have every single Christian thinker who has espoused eternal security beat, I cannot imagine how that is anything but pride.
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And there are direct to be seen exact consequences, odd you have missed the obvious.
I'm a bit confused. What does "direct to be seen exact consequences" mean? If you're implying that Ananias and Sapphira were damned, I would ask you to provide evidence within the text of that story to back up your claim. Best I can tell, there's nothing to indicate anything but their earthly life came to an end.
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RE: CHRISTIANS: What Sin Will Stop You From Entering He... - 1/31/2010 12:43:47 PM
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yankeedoodled:
Iniquity often is a sin of provoking God unto death in this life and the next. Contend for life and righteousness, not justification of sin unto death, is not what it is.
Mark 4:12
That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.
Romans 6:16
Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
Revelation 21:27
And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.
Luke 12:45-47 (King James Version)
45But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken;
46The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.
1 Corinthians 6:8-10 (King James Version)
8Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren.
9Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
Revelation 21:7-8 (King James Version)
7He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
8But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
Revelation 22:14-15 (King James Version)
14Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
15For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
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RE: CHRISTIANS: What Sin Will Stop You From Entering He... - 1/31/2010 6:47:15 PM
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Iniquity often is a sin of provoking God unto death in this life and the next. Contend for life and righteousness, not justification of sin unto death, is not what it is.
Perhaps I'm the only one who is having difficulty understanding you, but I really have no idea what you're trying to convey here.
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RE: CHRISTIANS: What Sin Will Stop You From Entering He... - 1/31/2010 8:49:18 PM
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Denial and iniquity leading to death, now and then. The direction you sail towards will determine who and what you are, denials are insufficent substitutes. The journey towards God is truth, virtue, righteousness. The journey utilizing deceit, lies, iniquities, denial of truth/God, perversions corruption lead to an altogether different destination.
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RE: CHRISTIANS: What Sin Will Stop You From Entering He... - 1/31/2010 8:53:14 PM
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MrFribbles
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yankeedoodled,
What are your thoughts on Ephesians 2:8-9?
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RE: CHRISTIANS: What Sin Will Stop You From Entering He... - 2/1/2010 12:18:41 AM
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A scripture dangerous for the newbie to misinterpret.
8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9Not of works, lest any man should boast.
The scripture pertaining to works is so badly abused by those that want an extremely narrow interpretation that they can be free to live a life of self and iniquity. Works is actually easy to comprehend if one looks up works in a Concordance and realizes that Works is not just one side of one issue, read all the instances. Don't cherry pick. The desire to find a narrow view of scripture to free oneself of judgment and consequences, duty, is a sad path to destruction.
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RE: CHRISTIANS: What Sin Will Stop You From Entering He... - 2/1/2010 9:58:57 AM
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A scripture dangerous for the newbie to misinterpret.
Again, your pride is showing through. If someone disagrees with your interpretation, they must be a newbie.
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The scripture pertaining to works is so badly abused by those that want an extremely narrow interpretation that they can be free to live a life of self and iniquity.
I don't know anyone on here who claims Christians are free to live a life of self and iniquity.
Incidentally, perhaps I was unclear, but I was asking for what you think these two verses mean, not what you think they don't mean.
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RE: CHRISTIANS: What Sin Will Stop You From Entering He... - 2/2/2010 9:14:36 PM
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To me, the only answer to this question is the answer to another, "What will determine who gets into Heaven?"
He who endures to the end
Who will that be. Those who love Jesus with all their heart-mind-soul-strength.
Trying to not not make it into Heaven is counterproductive.
Our life is simply Christ. All honor and glory and strength (and He strengthens us) to Him alone.
The Peace of Christ be with you...
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RE: CHRISTIANS: What Sin Will Stop You From Entering He... - 2/4/2010 12:35:28 AM
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I know this is a crazy thought and question. I already know what many of your think.
Most Christians will make every effort to not sin. However, we all know what we wrestle with.
All of the people in these scenarios are Christians, committed certain sins, then died immediately.
You committed adultery
You watched a XXX porn movie
You molested a child
You stole a very expensive item
You told a blatant lie
You are a fornicator
You murdered you wife's lover
You sold drugs to minors to make money
You have never told anyone anywhere that you were a Christian
Which one will God ok and then you can enter heaven?
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I know this is a crazy thought and question. I already know what many of your think.
Most Christians will make every effort to not sin. However, we all know what we wrestle with.
All of the people in these scenarios are Christians, committed certain sins, then died immediately.
You committed adultery
You watched a XXX porn movie
You molested a child
You stole a very expensive item
You told a blatant lie
You are a fornicator
You murdered you wife's lover
You sold drugs to minors to make money
You have never told anyone anywhere that you were a Christian
Which one will God ok and then you can enter heaven?
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RE: CHRISTIANS: What Sin Will Stop You From Entering He... - 2/4/2010 12:48:45 AM
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ORIGINAL: yankeedoodled
A scripture dangerous for the newbie to misinterpret.
8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9Not of works, lest any man should boast.
The scripture pertaining to works is so badly abused by those that want an extremely narrow interpretation that they can be free to live a life of self and iniquity. Works is actually easy to comprehend if one looks up works in a Concordance and realizes that Works is not just one side of one issue, read all the instances. Don't cherry pick. The desire to find a narrow view of scripture to free oneself of judgment and consequences, duty, is a sad path to destruction.
You cannot be serious with this post. In fact a "newbie" should do the exact opposite and cling to those precious truths. Only by God's wonderful grace is any of us saved. A Christian should never ever lose site of those precious truths of Eph. 2. It is only through understanding God's mighty grace that a believer can really produce fruit. Anything outside of that is just mere human effort and no less than pagan worship in trying to appease an angry God by pitiful works.
Col 1:6 Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth:
Tit 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
Tit 2:12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
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RE: CHRISTIANS: What Sin Will Stop You From Entering He... - 2/6/2010 2:45:23 AM
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The scribes and Pharisees lawyered the lae of God and by rationalizing/philosophizing justified wickedness and denial of duties and fell into iniquites. Some refer to it as going ones own ways. Satan went that route and i find no comfort is rationalizing/justifying going down the errant path Satan took. The Lord seeks good and faithful servants of Him, not Satan's. This seems a lot like explaining Sunday school basics in the kids classrooms.
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RE: CHRISTIANS: What Sin Will Stop You From Entering He... - 2/6/2010 1:46:25 PM
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This seems a lot like explaining Sunday school basics in the kids classrooms.
Again - pride. Perhaps if you took some time to actually respond to our points instead of assuming we have the intellect of young children, we could have a meaningful discussion.
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RE: CHRISTIANS: What Sin Will Stop You From Entering He... - 2/6/2010 3:07:47 PM
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This seems a lot like explaining Sunday school basics in the kids classrooms.
Again - pride. Perhaps if you took some time to actually respond to our points instead of assuming we have the intellect of young children, we could have a meaningful discussion.
You want him to do what, MrFribbles?
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RE: CHRISTIANS: What Sin Will Stop You From Entering He... - 2/6/2010 6:34:07 PM
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You want him to do what, MrFribbles?
For starters, he can give a more thorough explanation of why a salvation that is by grace, through faith, is suddenly based on doing works.
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RE: CHRISTIANS: What Sin Will Stop You From Entering He... - 2/6/2010 6:41:08 PM
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You want him to do what, MrFribbles?
For starters, he can give a more thorough explanation of why a salvation that is by grace, through faith, is suddenly based on doing works.
Yeah - I know ...... In short, I always was told something on the line - you say you have faith? Good! so me your works! You say you have works? Good! show me your faith ....... kinda deals
(ja- I know I didn't do it any justice - but I think ya get my drift ;) )
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RE: CHRISTIANS: What Sin Will Stop You From Entering He... - 2/6/2010 8:18:09 PM
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Yeah i think the works come naturally after the faith. If we have complete total faith and understanding, then we probably have complete and total good works. If we have partial good works, then it may be a sign that we are not in total and complete faith. Works are signs and products of faith, they don't lead to salvation, but are evidence of salvation, I think. Take a look at these (meaning behind parable of the sower)
Luke 8:11-15
11"This is the meaning of the parable: The seed is the word of God. 12Those along the path are the ones who hear, and then the devil comes and takes away the word from their hearts, so that they may not believe and be saved. 13Those on the rock are the ones who receive the word with joy when they hear it, but they have no root. They believe for a while, but in the time of testing they fall away. 14The seed that fell among thorns stands for those who hear, but as they go on their way they are choked by life's worries, riches and pleasures, and they do not mature. 15But the seed on good soil stands for those with a noble and good heart, who hear the word, retain it, and by persevering produce a crop.
It seems like someone who hears the word of God and claims to be a Christian, and yet still falls away in the time of testing are the ones described in verse 13.
And, this has been mentioned before, but it's important to note:
1 John 2:1-6
1My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have one who speaks to the Father in our defense—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One. 2He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for[a] the sins of the whole world.
3We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands. 4The man who says, "I know him," but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5But if anyone obeys his word, God's love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: 6Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did.
A person who sins, and then confesses their sins through Jesus will be forgiven, but a person who sins still does not know Jesus fully. The forgiveness is there so that we may come into complete understanding and truth through the Holy Spirit and Jesus and be made a new creation. I think if a person is still committing those sins listed in the OP, then that is a sign they have not yet fully understood what it means to accept Christ into their heart yet.
But thank God for forgiveness so that we may continue seeking through the Holy Spirit to be made free of these sins so that we may enter heaven and be with God :)
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RE: CHRISTIANS: What Sin Will Stop You From Entering He... - 2/7/2010 2:47:49 PM
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trey182,
In your opinion, would racism be one of the "sign(s) they have not yet fully understood what it means to accept Christ into their heart yet."?
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RE: CHRISTIANS: What Sin Will Stop You From Entering He... - 2/7/2010 3:31:26 PM
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yankeedoodled,
What are your thoughts on Ephesians 2:8-9?
It is really silly to use verses 8 and 9 and not the rest of the thought;
(Eph 2:8) For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
(Eph 2:9) Not of works, lest any man should boast.
(Eph 2:10) For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
verse 10 opens up 8 and 9 to show that if there are not good works then there was no salvation.
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RE: CHRISTIANS: What Sin Will Stop You From Entering He... - 2/7/2010 4:51:43 PM
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trey182,
In your opinion, would racism be one of the "sign(s) they have not yet fully understood what it means to accept Christ into their heart yet."?
If it is not of God, then it is of the world. When you say racist, i think of the klu klux killing people because they think they are better than those they kill. But i guess a truer form of it is simply the belief that racial traits make one better or worse than another, and KK k are the ones who act on those beliefs. But if we look at Galatians 5:19-21 we see:
19The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.
While it doesn't say racism, i think we can see racism coming from those things, or those things coming from racism, or fit racism into one of those things (like hatred, discord, dissensions and factions, and if they act on these feelings of racism, it can be in hatred, fits of rage, sexual immorality[rape] ect.) I think it best fits in "hatred" but yeah, i think it would be one of the signs, according to these verses. Racism isn't loving, and Christ tells us to love our neighbor. Not love them only if they are of a certain race. If we are prejudice against someone from another race, it is a sign that we might not really fully know Jesus, that we only think we fully know Him.
I do live in the southeast usa however, and while i do not really know any racists personally, i have seen a few before. It makes me sad to see them, because often times they didn't come up with those thoughts on their own, they were taught them by their family or friends, and it is almost engraved in their brains, they are blinded to reason...
Anyways, thats a lot of text to say "yes" lol, but i like to clarify :) haha
Take care, with Love,
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RE: CHRISTIANS: What Sin Will Stop You From Entering He... - 2/7/2010 5:13:42 PM
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rcjames,
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verse 10 opens up 8 and 9 to show that if there are not good works then there was no salvation.
I completely agree. The problem is, I get the impression that yankeedoodled is approaching it from the direction that the works come first, and then the salvation, and that a certain level of works is needed to maintain that salvation.
trey,
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Anyways, thats a lot of text to say "yes" lol, but i like to clarify :)
Thanks, you had some good insights on the issue.
The reason I bring it up is because the apostle Peter demonstrated some clear racism in Galatians 2:11-14. So, did Peter not really have Jesus in his heart at that point?
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RE: CHRISTIANS: What Sin Will Stop You From Entering He... - 2/8/2010 12:03:06 AM
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trey,
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Anyways, thats a lot of text to say "yes" lol, but i like to clarify :)
Thanks, you had some good insights on the issue.
The reason I bring it up is because the apostle Peter demonstrated some clear racism in Galatians 2:11-14. So, did Peter not really have Jesus in his heart at that point?
Simply put, I am not sure, there are many things i do not know.
But i have also been looking at the part in Romans where Paul talks about struggling with sin. He seems to say that He is having a difficult time with sin, and that he does what he does not want to do (Romans 7:7-25) And he also seems to mention that when he understands not to do it, and he does it anyways, then it is not him doing it, but the sin inside him (i may be confused about what he is saying here though.) But if he is committing sin, does that make him, at the time of writing that, a false teacher since he is producing bad fruit? (or is it really him producing the fruit, idk, he seems to think its not)
But is this (Paul saying that the sin is coming not from his mind but his body) just an excuse because he isn't dealing with his sin by the roots? Or is there some sense of duality, self and not-self going on here? Since there are some sins which exist that we do not crave (for example, i do not crave to murder someone) does it make sense that upon full realization of the sins in the mind, and then finding the root of the sin, and ripping it out, we can eliminate the sin desire of our body too? (by "we" i mean with the Holy Spirit, it is impossible by ourselves.) Because some sins that i once had the desire for are now completely gone, not only do i know they are wrong and refrain, but i have not even the desire to give in like i used to. So can this be done for all sin? And if so, has Paul also not yet made it to this point, at the time when he wrote this? Is he producing bad fruit, or is that bad fruit, [[since it is recognized by him as bad and he seeks to not do it]], that is being produced not really being produced by him, but the root of a particular sin that he hasn't discovered out how to remove yet? I do not know.
To be honest, it is quite confusing, but i will continue to seek to understand, seeking is a joy :) There have been things in the Bible i have not understood, but through time and faith, the meanings have been revealed, I am sure the answers to all these things will be revealed to me when i am ready for the truth.
Also, in dealing with this subject of sin, Hebrews says (10:26-27)
26If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.
When they nailed Jesus to the cross, He said "Forgive them, they know not what they do."It seems like when we sin, we spiritually nail Jesus to the cross, and when we ask for forgiveness, we come into Christ and sacrifice the sins. He forgives us because we do not know what we do. But i think that maybe when we come to the realization of certain sins and tear them up by their roots, we will no longer have the desire to do them in the same way we would not desire to physically nail Jesus to the cross if He were in front of us. When we come to the realization of the roots of the sins and get rid of them, we would not do those and nail Him spiritually either. I know this kind of goes off a trail of your original question, but i do not really know the answers you seek. I will say though that i will be thinking about your question a lot, because i am very curious as well.
Thank you for pointing this out MrFribbles :) I enjoy having more to think about and learn. And sorry i couldn't really provide an answer.
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RE: CHRISTIANS: What Sin Will Stop You From Entering He... - 2/8/2010 1:37:59 AM
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yankeedoodled
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Mr Fribbles:
Again, your pride is showing through.
Yankeedoodled:
You know nothing of my pride, especially based on your false presumptions.
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Mr Fribbles:
For starters, he can give a more thorough explanation of why a salvation that is by grace, through faith, is suddenly based on doing works.
Yankeedoodled:
I have commented on works before and comprehend salvation and grace are not totally disassociated to and of works, that is the wicked not wanting to serve the Lord and be obedient. This is better discussed on a works topic, however it can be discussed at length here. I have already been admonished to stay on topic.
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Mr Fribbles:
I completely agree. The problem is, I get the impression that yankeedoodled is approaching it from the direction that the works come first, and then the salvation, and that a certain level of works is needed to maintain that salvation.
Yankeedoodled:
Your presumption is shifting sand that leads to false judgment.
Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Ps 28:5 - Because they regard not the works of the LORD, nor the operation of his hands, he shall destroy them, and not build them up.
Jer 25:14 - For many nations and great kings shall serve themselves of them also: and I will recompense them according to their deeds, and according to the works of their own hands.
Jon 3:10 - And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.
Mt 16:27 - For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
Joh 10:37 -If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
Ac 26:20 -But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.
Jas 2:17 - Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
Jas 2:26 - For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
Re 2:23 - And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
Tit 1:16 - They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.
Matthew 25:30
And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Yankeedoodled:
A Servant devoid of works.
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RE: CHRISTIANS: What Sin Will Stop You From Entering He... - 2/8/2010 9:48:59 AM
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applemom
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yanks, you do have a way of deflecting questions.
YOur posts keep repeating the theme that people who sin will go to hell. I believe unrepentant sinners will not be saved.
I think the op question intent was/is, Is there a sin that cannot be forgiven? It is my belief that the only sin God will not forgive is rejection of His Son's salvation.
You are the one who seems to cherry pick verses about continued works and sinning.
Do you believe that you go through each day never committing, either knowingly or unknowingly any sin of any kind?
At the end of each day do you not come to the LORD and humbly ask His forgiveness for any sin, known or unknown?
Is there any room in your theology for those who believe but have not yet complete understanding of what God would consider sin, or who know and tho they can admit it seem unable to shake a particular 'sin'. (as I write this I am thinking of one who smokes or swears or ?)
Verse 9 uses works in the sense of personal effort put into an accomplishment,
Then the work in workmanship is reflecting the degree of craftsmanship put into us, we are God's work of art.
then
Verse 10 speaks of 'good works' that God Himself planned for us. My understanding of this meaning of works is not toil/effort towords good behaviour but deeds/acts done to help in some way other people.
These meanings are the result of an indepth word study.
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