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RE: Forgiven from all future sins? - 3/3/2010 7:53:43 PM
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Time is duration. God can not "step out of duration". God can't stop enduring. As long as God endures, He is in time.
If you want to look at it as a timeline, then I still find it well within scripture and God's nature to know the future. He foretells it. He plans it. He establishes it. So I find it perfectly logical that God is not restricted by time. So to make decisions (offer forgiveness) prior to further down the timeline (our sin two thousand years later) is perfectly reasonable.
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Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things...(1Corinth 13:7)
IOW: Love quietly covers your past sins and believes that you will not sin again because you don't have to & because you love Him too much to sin again. Love also trusts that you will remain.
Are you saying that we do not have sins on our record, or that we never sin once saved?
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RE: Forgiven from all future sins? - 3/3/2010 9:51:59 PM
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The only thing he teached was that if we do happen to sin, and we are followers of Christ, that one sin cannot take away our salvation. If someone refused to repent of even one sin God would have to punish them in the end. God does forgive backsliders who repent but not dead backsliders who didn't repent. We don't know yet when our time will come.
What I said about fear making someone reconsider - I didn't mean that they should be motivated by a selfish fear of hell. I meant that fear can get someone's attention so that they are willing to admit the bad situation they are in with God because of their sin. If fear prompts someone to honesty with themselves then they have an easier time reconsidering their motives and choices. Fear fixates one's attention on the object of fear. In the case of a sinner, the fear can actually help them to start taking an honest look at their heart. So fear can be good for people.
I'm not saying that people should only obey out of fear. Real obedience is love.
I hope that explains what I said a little better.
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RE: Forgiven from all future sins? - 3/3/2010 10:07:29 PM
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Love quietly covers your past sins and believes that you will not sin again because you don't have to & because you love Him too much to sin again. Love also trusts that you will remain.
God is so good.
Give unto the LORD, O ye mighty, give unto the LORD glory and strength. Give unto the LORD the glory due unto his name; worship the LORD in the beauty of holiness.
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RE: Forgiven from all future sins? - 3/3/2010 10:45:30 PM
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Time is duration. God can not "step out of duration". God can't stop enduring. As long as God endures, He is in time.
If you want to look at it as a timeline, then I still find it well within scripture and God's nature to know the future. He foretells it. He plans it. He establishes it. So I find it perfectly logical that God is not restricted by time. So to make decisions (offer forgiveness) prior to further down the timeline (our sin two thousand years later) is perfectly reasonable. Yes, God knows the future, but not as you think.
If absolute foreknowledge is true, it is impossible for God to originate a simple volition which is new to himself. All the volitions he ever originateed, all that he ever will originate, were known to him from all eternity. If they were all known to him from eternity they were as eternal as himself. If they were as eternal as himself he could not have originated them; because he could not have originated them any more than he could originate himself. But if he did not originate his volitions he cannot be from a free-will. If he has no a free-will he cannot be more than mankind whom He created. If he is not more than we are, he must be impersonal. If he is impersonal he must be without consciousness. If he is without consciousness and has a real existence, he must be without moral character or sympathy. He must be controlled in all his activities and movements, from eternity to eternity, wholly by blind while being inexorable necessity as only an "force" to be recond with.
(Idea from Lorenzo Dow McCabe)
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Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things...(1Corinth 13:7)
IOW: Love quietly covers your past sins and believes that you will not sin again because you don't have to & because you love Him too much to sin again. Love also trusts that you will remain.
Are you saying that we do not have sins on our record, or that we never sin once saved? No, I'm saying that we have sin on our record, but we can say that we do not preasently have sin right now, AND we may never sin again if we so choose.
Re-read what I said, I think you mis-understood.quote:
1John actually means that we can not say that we have no sin ON OUR RECORD, because we have sinned in our pats; if we deny this we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
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RE: Forgiven from all future sins? - 3/4/2010 6:16:35 AM
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Mehetabel: Youve asked a great question and its going to spark some debate.
Youre gonna get some fussing over the issue by those who think that their sins are always known to them and therefore the responsibility for confession and repentance of those sins lay squarely in the realm of 'keeping your slate clean'.
Others look at it from salvation in Christ as a whole. Meaning Jesus purchased me by his blood
for the whole of my life, not just the moment I am converted. God didnt look at me 'when I got converted' and said "Im going to forgive all of your past sins". To them God looked at the person and applied the blood of Christ to the person as well as their sins.
Redemption and purchase of the sinner is one thing
Real time forgiveness of sins as we commit them is another.
How you answer these questions will determine what "grace" means to you.
Is there forgiveness for future sins? Of course. But what this question does is open a can of worms. It will break out those who believe in God's perseverence and those who keep their salvation by their repentance and confessions.
I think this is a good subject and will make folks think.
John
As I said in my OP I felt somewhat ashames to ask this question after being a christian for a couple of years. But I find it pretty interesting/suprising to see that there are pretty much different opinions regarding this subject. If you think about it, it is basically the main-subject of the bible. The works of Jesus on the cross. So I don't feel bad starting this topic. It is actually good for all of us to think about this. Not only for ourself, but also to be able to answer and explain it to people when they ask about it.
You see, the way I look at it is that Jesus has bought us by His blood. We are made new! It is no longer that we are slaves of sin, but rather "slaves" of Christ. Romans 6 talks a lot about this.
Rom 6:22 But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves to God, the benefit you reap leads to holiness, and the result is eternal life
How would you interpret this verse (chapter actually) if your sins are not "real time" forgiven? How can we be free of the slavery of sin if it still has the power to take away salvation?
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Eutychus
Interesting statement Eutychus. I'm curious what others think about it.
Let's see what Scripture says about it;
(Heb 6:4) For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
(Heb 6:5) And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
(Heb 6:6) If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
Seems straightforward to me.
Thanks
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Hey rcjames. Perhaps I misunderstood your first response in this topic, but what exactly do you believe about this subject. I'm asking because your two responses seem a contradiction of what you believe. I probably mis-interpret one of your responses though :)
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The only thing he teached was that if we do happen to sin, and we are followers of Christ, that one sin cannot take away our salvation. If someone refused to repent of even one sin God would have to punish them in the end. God does forgive backsliders who repent but not dead backsliders who didn't repent. We don't know yet when our time will come.
The question is, when is something repentance? If you truely feel sorry towards God about the thing you did, but have not really taken the time to confess and specifically ask for forgiveness. Would that still count as repentance? Or do you need to take time to tell God you are sorry? Is someone who sins a backslider? In my opinion that is not necessarily true. A backslider is more recognisable on not seeking the Lord, not reading the word, and not really including God in his or her life.
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What I said about fear making someone reconsider - I didn't mean that they should be motivated by a selfish fear of hell. I meant that fear can get someone's attention so that they are willing to admit the bad situation they are in with God because of their sin. If fear prompts someone to honesty with themselves then they have an easier time reconsidering their motives and choices. Fear fixates one's attention on the object of fear. In the case of a sinner, the fear can actually help them to start taking an honest look at their heart. So fear can be good for people.
I'm not saying that people should only obey out of fear. Real obedience is love.
I hope that explains what I said a little better.
Thanks for the explanation. But I still think that God has given us other things to make us aware of sin. The law -as I said before- in the old testament is good but it actually leads to death. It's main purpose was to tell people they were unable to keep up with the standards and to made them realize they so badly needed God! I think we can still use the law to be aware that we are unable to keep up to God standards and that we need Jesus so much because of that.
And in this new covenant we also have been given the Holy Spirit who will convince us of sins.
So I don't think that God needs to use fear to make us look at ourselfs in a honest way. We can use the law, the word and the Holy Spirit for that.
But offcourse what you said, obedience out of love is the very best :)
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RE: Forgiven from all future sins? - 3/4/2010 8:07:26 AM
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God can not forgive our future sins because they haven't happened yet. God is outside of time. That is rediculous.
Time is duration. God can not "step out of duration". God can't stop enduring. As long as God endures, He is in time. God created time. Your "Time is duration" statement is an unsupported assumption. I see nothing in scripture to support it.
To God a thousand years is as a day. He can see the end from the beginning. I would submit that "eternity," rather than just being a long long time, is something else entirely.
It certainly seems like He is outside of time to me.
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RE: Forgiven from all future sins? - 3/4/2010 9:00:46 AM
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It certainly seems like He is outside of time to me. No, God transcends time. When He chooses to interact with finite humans then He acts inside of time. Since our confessions and repentance are interactions with God, He is acting inside time when we confess and repent and He forgives in response. Thus this entire concept of "future sins being already forgiven" is complete make-believe! The Atonement provided the potential for all the sins of all sinners to be forgiven at a specific point in human history, but the actual forgiveness of sins occurs when sinners confess, repent, and believe His Potential is now real in their own life.
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RE: Forgiven from all future sins? - 3/4/2010 9:02:26 AM
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(Heb 6:4) For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
(Heb 6:5) And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
(Heb 6:6) If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
Seems straightforward to me.
Hey rcjames. Perhaps I misunderstood your first response in this topic, but what exactly do you believe about this subject. I'm asking because your two responses seem a contradiction of what you believe. I probably mis-interpret one of your responses though
(1) Many folks use the idea that all sins are already forgiven to excuse a sinning lifestyle, I consider these folks to have never been saved.
(2) The above Scripture says what it says, and says it very plainly;
If folks are enlighted
and tasted of the heavenly gift
and were partakers of the Holy Spirit
and tasted the good Word of God
and tasted the powers of the world to come
If these folks become apostate; that's all folks.
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RE: Forgiven from all future sins? - 3/4/2010 9:09:48 AM
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If these folks become apostate; that's all folks. So in the context of this discussion, what does "apostate" look like? Does any one single unconfessed sin at physical death mean "apostasy"? How many sins does it take to make a "sinning lifestyle"? I think these are challenging questions for those of us who know OSAS is incorrect doctrine!
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RE: Forgiven from all future sins? - 3/4/2010 9:11:00 AM
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The question is, when is something repentance? If you truely feel sorry towards God about the thing you did, but have not really taken the time to confess and specifically ask for forgiveness. Would that still count as repentance? Or do you need to take time to tell God you are sorry? .
Repentance is changing one's mind (stopping the sin one has been committing and not doing it anymore).
Feeling sorry for something one done is not repentance.
Asking God for frogiveness is not repentance.
Repentance is changing one's mind about the sin, turning from that sin, and not committing that sin anylonger.
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Is someone who sins a backslider? In my opinion that is not necessarily true. A backslider is more recognisable on not seeking the Lord, not reading the word, and not really including God in his or her life
Which New Testament Scripture speaks to backsliding?
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RE: Forgiven from all future sins? - 3/4/2010 10:17:14 AM
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It certainly seems like He is outside of time to me. No, God transcends time.
I would suspect that this is an issue of semantics. I think the two phrases/ideas are being used interchangeably and that the ideas/understandings are the same.
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RE: Forgiven from all future sins? - 3/4/2010 10:43:33 AM
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God can not forgive our future sins because they haven't happened yet. God is outside of time. That is ridiculous.
Time is duration. God cannot "step out of duration". God can't stop enduring. As long as God endures, He is in time. God created time. Your "Time is duration" statement is an unsupported assumption. I see nothing in scripture to support it. There is no Scriptural support for God creating time either. However, we do have a definition of time & duration which will help one to understand that they cannot be created.
There is no supported in Scripture for both of us, however, my "Time is duration" statement is a supported fact found in the way we use the term; this is called a definition.
Duration:
1. The length of time something continues or exists.
2. A period of time.
Time:
1. A limited period or interval, as between two successive events.
2. A period during and after activity.
Period:
1. The time during which something exists or runs a coarse.
Interval:
1. A space between things, points, limits, etc. (which may be measured of duration/time)
God could not have created duration/time as He could not have created the reality in which He dwells.
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To God a thousand years is as a day. From Psalm 90:4 & 2Peter 3:8. This is not a doctrinal statement, this is a comparison to how it seems for God in His dealings with mankind.
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He can see the end from the beginning. Not that the end already exists. God sees the end as UNDERSTANDING it. The end can not exist right now.
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I would submit that "eternity," rather than just being a long long time, is something else entirely. You are right.
Eternity is a term for a long long time. Eternity is infinite time; it is duration without beginning or end.
Just as infinity is not a number or measurement of accumulated anything, but a word that describes a non-ending amount of accumulated anything; so it is with eternity.
Eternity is not a measured amount of duration/time, but a word that describes a non-ending amount of duration/time.
We will live for a non-ending amount of duration/time.
Or
We will live for eternity.
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It certainly seems like He is outside of time to me. Yeah, well, apparently, you haven’t thought this out well enough.
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RE: Forgiven from all future sins? - 3/4/2010 10:58:57 AM
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He can see the end from the beginning.
Not that the end already exists. God sees the end as UNDERSTANDING it. The end can not exist right now.
Many of us would argue that God created time as we know it. And, therefore, God time is something that He is not bound to.
While certainly not a perfect picture, I think of it like a video recording. God wrote the script, has seen the final product, while we are limited to watching it unfold after the fact. God knows all, and can go forward and back, while we are forced to watch only start to finish in real time.
Again, not a perfect picture, but the one that best describes how I view God and time as I interpret scripture.
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RE: Forgiven from all future sins? - 3/4/2010 11:16:03 AM
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If these folks become apostate; that's all folks. So in the context of this discussion, what does "apostate" look like? Does any one single unconfessed sin at physical death mean "apostasy"? How many sins does it take to make a "sinning lifestyle"? I think these are challenging questions for those of us who know OSAS is incorrect doctrine!
The Hebrews Scripture (6:6) says "Fall away" from the Greek
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παραπίπτω
parapiptō
par-ap-ip'-to
From G3844 and G4098; to fall aside, that is, (figuratively) to apostatize: - fall away.
That does seem to indicate, to me at least, more than one unconfessed sin. Possibly denying Jesus Christ as He is presented in Scripture.
BUT Paul does write this about sin and repenting;
(2Co 12:21) And lest, when I come again, my God will humble me among you, and that I shall bewail many which have sinned already, and have not repented of the uncleanness and fornication and lasciviousness which they have committed.
Continuing in sin without repentance is definately a no-no.
Now how long one has to continue is error and/or sin to become apostate; I don't know, but I, for one, am not going to try and push the envelope.
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RE: Forgiven from all future sins? - 3/4/2010 11:38:41 AM
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There is no Scriptural support for God creating time either.
Gen 1:3 Then God said, "Let there be light"; and there was light.
Gen 1:4 God saw that the light was good; and God separated the light from the darkness.
Gen 1:5 God called the light day, and the darkness He called night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day.
Right here is where God created time.
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RE: Forgiven from all future sins? - 3/4/2010 12:01:51 PM
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He can see the end from the beginning. Not that the end already exists. God sees the end as UNDERSTANDING it. The end can not exist right now. Many of us would argue that God created time as we know it. What do you mean "as we know it"?
Time, as we know it is duration. God did not create "duration".
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And, therefore, God time is something that He is not bound to. Correct, God is not in a hurry that He will run out of time &/or be late for something, that he has a time limit. God does His work in his own length of duration.
To be "bound" to time is having limits of time. God sets His own limit for anything & all things He does. However, God is still within time.
God is not in the past at this moment, He is not in the future at this moment; to say such a thing is to say that the past & future stil exists and already exists. This is nonsense. God is in this moment of the present & only in this moment as we are.
Let's stay out of science fiction here.
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While certainly not a perfect picture, I think of it like a video recording. God wrote the script, has seen the final product, while we are limited to watching it unfold after the fact. God knows all, and can go forward and back, while we are forced to watch only start to finish in real time. The correct way to think of this is that God has written a play and we are the cast.
The play has not ended yet as we are ad-libbing through the whole thing. We may also go totally off the script (this is sin) but the play has been written and it will end the way it has been planned.
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RE: Forgiven from all future sins? - 3/4/2010 12:16:00 PM
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There is no Scriptural support for God creating time either. Gen 1:3 Then God said, "Let there be light"; and there was light.
Gen 1:4 God saw that the light was good; and God separated the light from the darkness.
Gen 1:5 God called the light day, and the darkness He called night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day.
Right here is where God created time. Where? All you did was show where we get a measurement of time.
We measure time by the movement of the Earth orbiting the sun & it's rotation. These measurements are how we define years & days. We measure seconds on the basis of vibrations of the cesium atom.
This is what we measure time with, however, it is not time itself.
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RE: Forgiven from all future sins? - 3/4/2010 12:25:55 PM
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(Heb 6:4) For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
(Heb 6:5) And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
(Heb 6:6) If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
Seems straightforward to me.
Hey rcjames. Perhaps I misunderstood your first response in this topic, but what exactly do you believe about this subject. I'm asking because your two responses seem a contradiction of what you believe. I probably mis-interpret one of your responses though
(1) Many folks use the idea that all sins are already forgiven to excuse a sinning lifestyle, I consider these folks to have never been saved.
(2) The above Scripture says what it says, and says it very plainly;
If folks are enlighted
and tasted of the heavenly gift
and were partakers of the Holy Spirit
and tasted the good Word of God
and tasted the powers of the world to come
If these folks become apostate; that's all folks.
Thanks
RC
Response to point (1): Because many people mis-use the teaching doesn't mean they are right.
Their are a couple of reasons you would/should confess your sins.
A) Just because you love God, and you want to tell Him you are sorry for your mistakes
B) Sin can be an open door for demonic influences. So by repenting you can deal with it, and close the doors.
C) Sin comes between you and God. Like if a husband makes an error it can become a problem between his wife and him. Doesn't mean that their marriage is broken. Might also hinder you from hearing and understanding God's voice.
E) Also sickness CAN be a result of sin in someones live! So sometimes in order to receive healing, the sin needs to be dealt with first trough repentance.
So if someone would not concider the above points important enough (especially point A) to confess their sins to God, then I don't know what is!
Respons to point (2): This does seem a contradiction of point one. If for someone who is walking away after having experienced all these things it is impossible to become saved again, then it would be kinda logical to think that if someone who lost salvation because of a commited sin, it would be impossible for him too! For you had to sacrifice Jesus all over again.
Or isn't it?
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RE: Forgiven from all future sins? - 3/4/2010 12:27:25 PM
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Continuing in sin without repentance is definately a no-no.
Now how long one has to continue is error and/or sin to become apostate; I don't know, but I, for one, am not going to try and push the envelope. Thank you, RC, that's very much how I understand this issue. If I am trying to figure out how much sin equals apostasy, I am in serious spiritual trouble already!
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RE: Forgiven from all future sins? - 3/4/2010 12:29:22 PM
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Continuing in sin without repentance is definately a no-no.
Now how long one has to continue is error and/or sin to become apostate; I don't know, but I, for one, am not going to try and push the envelope. Thank you, RC, that's very much how I understand this issue. If I am trying to figure out how much sin equals apostasy, I am in serious spiritual trouble already!
I agree with both of you.
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RE: Forgiven from all future sins? - 3/4/2010 12:34:19 PM
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MrFribbles
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If I am trying to figure out how much sin equals apostasy, I am in serious spiritual trouble already!
This reminds me of a story I read/heard when I was much younger -
A well-to-do blacksmith in the middle ages decided to set out on a "theological" quest to see how much sin he could commit; he wanted to see if there was a level of sin he could reach that would be too great for God to forgive. He went about for years, engaging in wanton sin of every kind. At the end of his quest, he returned home and his servants asked him what he had learned. Instead of answering, he locked himself in his workshop with his furnace. After some time, the servants broke down the door and found that the man has cut out his own heart and cast it into the furnace, leaving behind a note that said - "The only sin that God wouldn't forgive was my attitude of wanting to put his forgiveness to the test."
Not sure if it's a theologically sound story, but your post reminded me of it.
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RE: Forgiven from all future sins? - 3/4/2010 12:37:30 PM
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Not sure if it's a theologically sound story, but your post reminded me of it. Wow, a very sobering story. But probably not medically sound... 
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RE: Forgiven from all future sins? - 3/4/2010 12:40:19 PM
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But probably not medically sound...
I always did wonder how he managed to cut out his heart and throw it into the furnace...
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RE: Forgiven from all future sins? - 3/4/2010 12:45:13 PM
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then it would be kinda logical to think that if someone who lost salvation because of a commited sin, it would be impossible for him too! For you had to sacrifice Jesus all over again.
Who is claiming that one sin makes a person lose thier salvation, not anyone I have read on this thread.
Or is that your POV.
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RE: Forgiven from all future sins? - 3/4/2010 12:47:36 PM
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But probably not medically sound...
I always did wonder how he managed to cut out his heart and throw it into the furnace...
Quick hands.
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