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RE: POLL: Majority Americans Lack Faith in Obama - 7/19/2010 7:37:04 PM
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And he isn't lying either, he has played golf at least seven times since the Deepwater Horizon rig exploded.
Is the implication here that Obama is irresponsible for playing golf and getting exercise?
Did Obama's golf games somehow prevent progress in stopping the oil leak? Did the oil workers have to stop working whenever he played golf? Did his golf games make the problem one iota worse?
If you were president of this whole United States, (assuming you love your country), and one of those states was experiencing the worst devastation to their water, land, wildlife and economy ever, would you be able to play golf? I mean, would you be able to concentrate knowing that every minute that ticked by meant more and more oil was pouring into the gulf? Wouldn't you be on the phone or at your desk or meeting with experts, trying to find some way to stop it? Wouldn't you try to do something to get the entire country involved in helping the people of that area? Wouldn't you accept as much help from other countries as you could for the sake of your own people?
It doesn't matter that the golf games didn't make the problem worse. What made it worse was that the POTUS appeared to not care.
The only folks who think the golf games made him look like he didn't care are those who already obsessive hate him. So, golf away, Mr. Obama.
I don't "obsessive hate" him. I merely hate that he is the president of this great country. I took the time to read up on him BEFORE the election. The only people who don't care that he played golf while thousands of his fellow countrymen were wringing their hands, watching the ocean and wondering if life would ever be right again, are people who, well, are infatuated. If you've ever been infatuated, you'll know what I mean. 
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RE: POLL: Majority Americans Lack Faith in Obama - 7/19/2010 8:40:47 PM
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The only turnaround that I admit to is that I thought it would end a lot sooner.
What do I really think? It could still be due to sabotage, but I can't prove that. It could have been an accident, but whether or not that is true, that is what we will be told forever. I still think it helped Obama's "green" agenda. Not sure if he wanted to prolong the situation by dragging his feet to further the agenda or if he was just so incompetent and yet unwilling to ask for help. Personally, I don't think he cares about the American people on a personal level. Therefore, he golfed.
I'm sorry, I'm still confused. If they just blew the whole thing out of proportion then why would it matter if he spent his time playing golf or meeting with experts? If this whole thing was blown out of proportion just to frighten us all then how can it be the worst devastation ever? Why would he need to get the entire country involved in something that really isn't that big of a deal?
You said in your original post that "If three months from now there is devastation on the gulf coast, I will admit that I was wrong" then you said in this thread that "one of those states was experiencing the worst devastation to their water, land, wildlife and economy ever" but now you say that "The only turnaround that I admit to is that I thought it would end a lot sooner".
I guess I just can't follow your line of thinking.
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RE: POLL: Majority Americans Lack Faith in Obama - 7/20/2010 4:00:51 PM
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You know when there are millions unemployed and no hopes of finding a job it would be kind of nice of him to be a little bit discreet in all of his playing and of course flying the first dog on a separate plane.
StephK, I find it difficult to judge the President's actions in both of these cases without further relevant and contextual information (some of which may be impossible to know).
I find it amazing the loops people will jump through to justify this president's actions. He should practice what he preaches, or stop preaching, period.
Unless one believes that us peasants should be subjects of the king, then we shouldn't s-t-r-e-t-c-h our imaginations trying to excuse his actions.
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RE: POLL: Majority Americans Lack Faith in Obama - 7/20/2010 4:59:57 PM
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There is a place where The President has a 85% approval rating, and where unemployment is a paltry 6%... It's Washington D.C., of course. .
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RE: POLL: Majority Americans Lack Faith in Obama - 7/23/2010 8:40:48 AM
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You know when there are millions unemployed and no hopes of finding a job it would be kind of nice of him to be a little bit discreet in all of his playing and of course flying the first dog on a separate plane.
StephK, I find it difficult to judge the President's actions in both of these cases without further relevant and contextual information (some of which may be impossible to know).
I find it amazing the loops people will jump through to justify this president's actions. He should practice what he preaches, or stop preaching, period.
Unless one believes that us peasants should be subjects of the king, then we shouldn't s-t-r-e-t-c-h our imaginations trying to excuse his actions.
Agree that just because we voted for Obama or support Obama doesn’t mean every action he takes is right and when he is wrong we should point out.
But here is the thing. I for one don’t give a hoot about what conservatives says about Obama, Because they lost the respect long time ago when they start complaining about what kind of mustard Obama put on his burger or what kind of shorts First lady wear. So far what I have seen is conservatives complain about everything Obama does or doesn’t. They are like the boy who cry out “ wolf, wolf”. No one cares. Unless conservatives can come to the table as an adult no one will pay attention what they have to say.
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RE: POLL: Majority Americans Lack Faith in Obama - 7/23/2010 9:55:35 AM
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And the left wingers did the same to George W. Bush, but I guess that was alright or justified?
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You know when there are millions unemployed and no hopes of finding a job it would be kind of nice of him to be a little bit discreet in all of his playing and of course flying the first dog on a separate plane.
StephK, I find it difficult to judge the President's actions in both of these cases without further relevant and contextual information (some of which may be impossible to know).
I find it amazing the loops people will jump through to justify this president's actions. He should practice what he preaches, or stop preaching, period.
Unless one believes that us peasants should be subjects of the king, then we shouldn't s-t-r-e-t-c-h our imaginations trying to excuse his actions.
Agree that just because we voted for Obama or support Obama doesn’t mean every action he takes is right and when he is wrong we should point out.
But here is the thing. I for one don’t give a hoot about what conservatives says about Obama, Because they lost the respect long time ago when they start complaining about what kind of mustard Obama put on his burger or what kind of shorts First lady wear. So far what I have seen is conservatives complain about everything Obama does or doesn’t. They are like the boy who cry out “ wolf, wolf”. No one cares. Unless conservatives can come to the table as an adult no one will pay attention what they have to say.
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RE: POLL: Majority Americans Lack Faith in Obama - 7/27/2010 12:10:55 AM
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Agree that just because we voted for Obama or support Obama doesn’t mean every action he takes is right and when he is wrong we should point out.
But here is the thing. I for one don’t give a hoot about what conservatives says about Obama, Because they lost the respect long time ago when they start complaining about what kind of mustard Obama put on his burger or what kind of shorts First lady wear. So far what I have seen is conservatives complain about everything Obama does or doesn’t. They are like the boy who cry out “ wolf, wolf”. No one cares. Unless conservatives can come to the table as an adult no one will pay attention what they have to say.
I aggree with davemiller
I would go further in demandinig a little "intellectual honesty" from the left, from the Democrats, and a little more concern for this country than their own political agendas, political hides, and world views.
President Bush went through a whole lot more bashing, ridicule, scrutiny from day one of his presidency than Obama has yet to experience.
As for people on the left having any respect for any Republican- They do not. Never had, and Never will have. One just needs to listen to Progressive Radio to realize that. One just has to look at how legislation is really being pushed through Congress. The Left are in power, and they flat out do not really care what Republicans/ Conservatives have to say about anythinig. The only Republicans, and semi-Conservatives they even bother to listen to are those that they need for cover, and who tend to agree with them. Those that do not agree with them are called every name in the book, and maligned in every way possible. But, hell we have to be careful in being critical of Democrats, and people on the left and keep the "context" of their arguements and criticial words in mind. They are not really sayinig what they are clearly saying.
If we had a Republican president instead of Obama, the left will be makiing a fuss out of every little thing he, or his family did or didn't do, but we have a Democrat as President. A Democrat who was suppose to bring "hope and change" to everyone (he was suppose to provide everyone with monthly checks, a house, a car, etc). A president who was suppose to bring people together, but has done nothing but separate people along racial, ethnic, and class/ wealth lines. A president who-by his speaking talents, and own words- was suppose to perfom miracles on day one of his administration, but as of yet has to solve a single problem facing the country. A president who professes, and is said to be a Constitution scholar, riding rough shod over the Constitution by createing postions of power and authority for people who share his (real extreme leftist) views, and who are not being held accountable by anyone.
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RE: POLL: Majority Americans Lack Faith in Obama - 7/27/2010 4:49:02 AM
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Agree that just because we voted for Obama or support Obama doesn’t mean every action he takes is right and when he is wrong we should point out.
But here is the thing. I for one don’t give a hoot about what conservatives says about Obama, Because they lost the respect long time ago when they start complaining about what kind of mustard Obama put on his burger or what kind of shorts First lady wear. So far what I have seen is conservatives complain about everything Obama does or doesn’t. They are like the boy who cry out “ wolf, wolf”. No one cares. Unless conservatives can come to the table as an adult no one will pay attention what they have to say.
I aggree with davemiller
I would go further in demandinig a little "intellectual honesty" from the left, from the Democrats, and a little more concern for this country than their own political agendas, political hides, and world views.
President Bush went through a whole lot more bashing, ridicule, scrutiny from day one of his presidency than Obama has yet to experience.
As for people on the left having any respect for any Republican- They do not. Never had, and Never will have. One just needs to listen to Progressive Radio to realize that. One just has to look at how legislation is really being pushed through Congress. The Left are in power, and they flat out do not really care what Republicans/ Conservatives have to say about anythinig. The only Republicans, and semi-Conservatives they even bother to listen to are those that they need for cover, and who tend to agree with them. Those that do not agree with them are called every name in the book, and maligned in every way possible. But, hell we have to be careful in being critical of Democrats, and people on the left and keep the "context" of their arguements and criticial words in mind. They are not really sayinig what they are clearly saying.
If we had a Republican president instead of Obama, the left will be makiing a fuss out of every little thing he, or his family did or didn't do, but we have a Democrat as President. A Democrat who was suppose to bring "hope and change" to everyone (he was suppose to provide everyone with monthly checks, a house, a car, etc). A president who was suppose to bring people together, but has done nothing but separate people along racial, ethnic, and class/ wealth lines. A president who-by his speaking talents, and own words- was suppose to perfom miracles on day one of his administration, but as of yet has to solve a single problem facing the country. A president who professes, and is said to be a Constitution scholar, riding rough shod over the Constitution by createing postions of power and authority for people who share his (real extreme leftist) views, and who are not being held accountable by anyone.
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RE: POLL: Majority Americans Lack Faith in Obama - 7/27/2010 3:30:18 PM
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OK, you don't like Sarah Palin and John McCain. I don't like Obama and Biden. You're not going to convince me of anything different and I'm not changing your thoughts, either. Let's just save our time and our keyboards and move on with our lives.
I actually don't dislike Palin and McCain. As I said, I like her, but didn't feel she was qualified to be VP or President of the United States.
I would say the same of Obama. I like the guy. He's well-spoken, smart, and kind of hip and I also like that he has an unwavering commitment to civility in debate/conversation (not wanting things to devolve into personal attacks or meanness), but I don't know if he was best prepared to lead the U.S. either.
Dave - definitely no personal hate or anything like that. For me, it's just wanting to understand who these individuals are and who might best lead our country. I don't ever personalize politics. Or at least if I find myself heated up and heading down that path, then I want to cool down and never let it get me to have sinful anger, pride, or anything like that. Hopefully my tone came off that way. I wouldn't want anyone to ever think I was attacking them personally. These politics talks are interesting to me, but can definitely get heated sometimes. 
I would still hope for the best of anyone who led the USA. So many lives and values are at stake, I'd just hope that the person with the closest to Christian values wre to lead our nation.
I'll respect your decision to not pursue this discussion further. I sort of see how politics can get talked to death sometimes.  I like it as a learning experience and hope we always strive to have love for one another in all of our chats. God Bless. 
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RE: POLL: Majority Americans Lack Faith in Obama - 7/28/2010 8:54:15 AM
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Gee, what a surprise....Guess he would rather sit down with a bunch of bitter old HOllywood libs than speak to our youth.
"President Obama will make history as the first sitting president on a daytime talk show when he visits with the ladies of "The View." But he'll be missing out on another historic occasion -- the Boy Scouts' Jamboree marking the group's 100th anniversary, right in the president's backyard.
The Jamboree kicked off this week at Fort A.P. Hill in Virginia, where organizers had invited the president to speak to the 45,000 scouts in attendance. All three of Obama's predecessors have made it to one Jamboree while in office."
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RE: POLL: Majority Americans Lack Faith in Obama - 7/28/2010 8:59:17 AM
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It figures. I'm not at all surprised, just even more disappointed in our "glorious leader." My disappointment grows deeper with each passing day.
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Gee, what a surprise....Guess he would rather sit down with a bunch of bitter old HOllywood libs than speak to our youth.
"President Obama will make history as the first sitting president on a daytime talk show when he visits with the ladies of "The View." But he'll be missing out on another historic occasion -- the Boy Scouts' Jamboree marking the group's 100th anniversary, right in the president's backyard.
The Jamboree kicked off this week at Fort A.P. Hill in Virginia, where organizers had invited the president to speak to the 45,000 scouts in attendance. All three of Obama's predecessors have made it to one Jamboree while in office."
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RE: POLL: Majority Americans Lack Faith in Obama - 7/28/2010 9:14:44 AM
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It figures. I'm not at all surprised, just even more disappointed in our "glorious leader." My disappointment grows deeper with each passing day.
Who are you kidding? Your disappointment started before he was sworn in. He could have cured cancer, brought about world peace, and slayed Bin Laden with his bare hands and you'd still find a way to complain about him.
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RE: POLL: Majority Americans Lack Faith in Obama - 7/28/2010 12:34:42 PM
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It figures. I'm not at all surprised, just even more disappointed in our "glorious leader." My disappointment grows deeper with each passing day.
Who are you kidding? Your disappointment started before he was sworn in. He could have cured cancer, brought about world peace, and slayed Bin Laden with his bare hands and you'd still find a way to complain about him.
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Not true. He is EVERYTHING I expected him to be.
Before the election, I had him pegged as a racist, anti-American, anti-semetic, anti-business, in over his head, incompetant, marxist.
He definitely has not let me down.
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RE: POLL: Majority Americans Lack Faith in Obama - 7/28/2010 1:06:33 PM
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You know when there are millions unemployed and no hopes of finding a job it would be kind of nice of him to be a little bit discreet in all of his playing and of course flying the first dog on a separate plane.
StephK, I find it difficult to judge the President's actions in both of these cases without further relevant and contextual information (some of which may be impossible to know).
I find it amazing the loops people will jump through to justify this president's actions. He should practice what he preaches, or stop preaching, period.
Unless one believes that us peasants should be subjects of the king, then we shouldn't s-t-r-e-t-c-h our imaginations trying to excuse his actions.
Agree that just because we voted for Obama or support Obama doesn’t mean every action he takes is right and when he is wrong we should point out.
But here is the thing. I for one don’t give a hoot about what conservatives says about Obama, Because they lost the respect long time ago when they start complaining about what kind of mustard Obama put on his burger or what kind of shorts First lady wear. So far what I have seen is conservatives complain about everything Obama does or doesn’t. They are like the boy who cry out “ wolf, wolf”. No one cares. Unless conservatives can come to the table as an adult no one will pay attention what they have to say.
You're right, BA. As long as The One can keep the abortion mills cranking, American Christians will still adore the loveable lug.
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RE: POLL: Majority Americans Lack Faith in Obama - 7/28/2010 1:08:53 PM
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You're right. I was disappointed before he was sworn in - disappointed at the American people who bought the lies, the spin, the high sounding rhetoric, etc. and voted him into office.
Has he cured cancer, brought about world peace, and slayed Bin Laden with his bare hands? If you listened to his pre-election speeches, you would have sworn he would have accomplished all three by this point in time. Instead, he has accomplished nothing except to bring the US closer to being a socialist nation (bailouts, which leave companies and banks beholden to the government, giving his union friends perks and advantages, and taking steps to nationalize the healthcare industry).
He promised that, with the bailouts, unemployment wouldn't go over 8%. It's currently in the 9.5% range plus all those who have either run out of unemployment benefits, are working at lesser jobs and with less pay, started their own business, or have given up looking for work.
I did not vote for him. I did not expect anything great from him. But I did not expect the degree, nor the speed with which he is attempting to destroy the system of government that has made this a great nation.
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It figures. I'm not at all surprised, just even more disappointed in our "glorious leader." My disappointment grows deeper with each passing day.
Who are you kidding? Your disappointment started before he was sworn in. He could have cured cancer, brought about world peace, and slayed Bin Laden with his bare hands and you'd still find a way to complain about him.
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RE: POLL: Majority Americans Lack Faith in Obama - 7/28/2010 1:34:00 PM
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I disagree. I think he has shown to make strides in policy despite republican filibusters and opposition. Like the Lilly Ledbetter act, like financial reform. I am still waiting to see how this health care thing really turns out. The repubs just seem to be a party of no and get revenge but have no plans of their own. I am glad I voted for Obama and will again if he seeks re-election.
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RE: POLL: Majority Americans Lack Faith in Obama - 7/28/2010 2:22:05 PM
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The repubs just seem to be a party of no
When this regime constantly tries to force their marxist agenda down our throats, someone better say NO. Funny thing....There aren't enough repubs in either house to stop his agenda.
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More lies from the Lamestream media. The GOP presented plans, but were SHUT OUT of most of the meetings and discussions. Check your facts before you drink the kool-aid
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I am glad I voted for Obama and will again if he seeks re-election.
Wow.....just....wow
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RE: POLL: Majority Americans Lack Faith in Obama - 7/28/2010 3:44:06 PM
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As I said upthread, as long as the most abortion-loving president in history keeps the death mills open and running at full capacity, CINOs will still fall to their knees over the guy.
Last days, anyone...?
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RE: POLL: Majority Americans Lack Faith in Obama - 7/28/2010 4:06:41 PM
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The repubs just seem to be a party of no
When this regime constantly tries to force their marxist agenda down our throats, someone better say NO. Funny thing....There aren't enough repubs in either house to stop his agenda.
Well that is completely untrue. Under the current filibuster system, you need 60 votes to get legislation passed in the Senate, and the Democrats only have 57 Senators, with one firm independent and one squishy one caucusing with them. And Republicans have been ratcheting every delaying trick in the book (anonymous holds, procedural delays, etc.) to unprecedented levels. The whole Democratic agenda is hostage to the one or two moderates left in the Republican party, and has been since Kennedy died.
And how ironic that liberals on this forum were regaled by accusations that the Democrats were the party of "No" when they were in opposition, despite the fact that they filibustered far less than the Republicans are doing now, and they held up far fewer appointment and other business too.
The Republicans truly have raised the "Party of No" tactics to new heights.
As for their agenda? There is nothing stopping them from publishing details of what they would have done if they had been in power. As it is, as soon as any of them begins to flesh out the details, the rest of them disown it and go running for cover. Anyone can say "cut taxes" and "cut spending" but it's funny that when you start asking for specifies, it all suddenly gets incredible vague, except that one of them let the cat out of the bag the other day when he said that they would result to the Bush era economic policies. Good luck with that one on election day.
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RE: POLL: Majority Americans Lack Faith in Obama - 7/28/2010 4:23:23 PM
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he said that they would result to the Bush era economic policies.
Oh like TARP, and the welfare check he sent out in 2008 to stimulate the economy, and the fact that almost 50% of all Americans have 0 or negative tax liability, oh yeah and the way those economic policies gave a liberal, Marxist, America-hating, Kenyan Muslim control of America.
Republicans haven't had ideas since Dole rode off into the sunset and Gingrich was booted off the island. It's probably even worse now.
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RE: POLL: Majority Americans Lack Faith in Obama - 7/28/2010 7:13:47 PM
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The Republicans truly have raised the "Party of No" tactics to new heights.
Thank God!!
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RE: POLL: Majority Americans Lack Faith in Obama - 7/28/2010 8:47:49 PM
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tacitus
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The Republicans truly have raised the "Party of No" tactics to new heights.
Thank God!!
Not really. Do you think the Democrats are just going to roll over next time they are the minority? The escalation of no-ness is going to end up paralyzing Congress completely at some point until nothing useful gets done (only the usual pork and spending bills, which will always find a way to get done.)
This is a case of be careful what you wish for.
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RE: POLL: Majority Americans Lack Faith in Obama - 7/29/2010 4:23:54 AM
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Not really. Do you think the Democrats are just going to roll over next time they are the minority? The escalation of no-ness is going to end up paralyzing Congress completely at some point until nothing useful gets done (only the usual pork and spending bills, which will always find a way to get done.)
This is a case of be careful what you wish for.
If we could only get them to hold up the pork and spending bills along with all the other useless trash they concentrate on we would have a truly great country
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RE: POLL: Majority Americans Lack Faith in Obama - 7/29/2010 8:35:17 AM
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All I can ask is that, before you cast another vote in any election, please do some research on the candidates. Don't just listen to and watch newsbites that the media feeds us. Look into their backgrounds. What have they done in their lives. With whom have they associated? What are their values? Those are things that really matter, not how smoothly someone can read a teleprompter and say "hip" things. Has the candidate refused to release such things as school papers and records? Has the candidate associated with known felons and people who espouse values and goals that would be detrimental to the nation/state/county/town/city/whatever as we know it or desire it to be? Try to look at the facts, not the facade many politicians put up and most of the media so slavishly promote.
In closing, thanx for your reasonable reply. I hope we can better understand each other in the future. May God bless.
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OK, you don't like Sarah Palin and John McCain. I don't like Obama and Biden. You're not going to convince me of anything different and I'm not changing your thoughts, either. Let's just save our time and our keyboards and move on with our lives.
I actually don't dislike Palin and McCain. As I said, I like her, but didn't feel she was qualified to be VP or President of the United States.
I would say the same of Obama. I like the guy. He's well-spoken, smart, and kind of hip and I also like that he has an unwavering commitment to civility in debate/conversation (not wanting things to devolve into personal attacks or meanness), but I don't know if he was best prepared to lead the U.S. either.
Dave - definitely no personal hate or anything like that. For me, it's just wanting to understand who these individuals are and who might best lead our country. I don't ever personalize politics. Or at least if I find myself heated up and heading down that path, then I want to cool down and never let it get me to have sinful anger, pride, or anything like that. Hopefully my tone came off that way. I wouldn't want anyone to ever think I was attacking them personally. These politics talks are interesting to me, but can definitely get heated sometimes.
I would still hope for the best of anyone who led the USA. So many lives and values are at stake, I'd just hope that the person with the closest to Christian values wre to lead our nation.
I'll respect your decision to not pursue this discussion further. I sort of see how politics can get talked to death sometimes. I like it as a learning experience and hope we always strive to have love for one another in all of our chats. God Bless.
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RE: POLL: Majority Americans Lack Faith in Obama - 7/30/2010 11:58:30 PM
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solomonsprayer
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You know when there are millions unemployed and no hopes of finding a job it would be kind of nice of him to be a little bit discreet in all of his playing and of course flying the first dog on a separate plane.
StephK, I find it difficult to judge the President's actions in both of these cases without further relevant and contextual information (some of which may be impossible to know).
I find it amazing the loops people will jump through to justify this president's actions. He should practice what he preaches, or stop preaching, period.
Unless one believes that us peasants should be subjects of the king, then we shouldn't s-t-r-e-t-c-h our imaginations trying to excuse his actions.
Rockwall, were there any particular parts of my responses to StephK that you found to be stretches of the imagination?
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